Relationships, forgiveness, reconciliation

Guest Post - Rev. Andrew Tasker

Matthew 5.21-37

As we have just heard, the Gospel is long, quite harsh and includes some of the hardest lessons from Jesus about really complex issues - adultery, divorce, swearing falsely and finally, conflict with another – I can’t think of a more challenging passage!!

So I have decided to be cowardly and pick what I consider to be the easiest topic of a really hard bunch – believe it or not, it’s conflict – that is, difficulty with our neighbour, friend or family member, about relationship and reconciliation. 

To me, reconciliation is at the heart of the Gospel, it doesn’t come easily to most of us and it constantly challenges us to be better people. 

So, firstly then – I think it is to acknowledge that striving for healthy connection with one another is absolutely central to our existence.  

Jesus wants us to use the perfect, non-judgmental and loving friendship he offers us, to mirror our own relationships.  We become as one with God when our relationships flourish.  I am convinced that we are called to create nothing more and nothing less than loving relationships.  Perhaps nothing else matters.

But - we can’t do it on our own.

Much as all the Gospels call us to individual relationship with Jesus, Jesus knows that we cannot live life without the other.  You.  You are the other, for others.  St Paul in his letters is at pains to explain to communities of which he has charge, that ‘getting on’ in the name of Christ is pivotal.

We can’t ignore that we are born into community, not into some vacuum in which we are alone and can be wholly selfish.

So with these things in mind, interestingly, Jesus doesn’t immediately start by addressing the actual topic of relationship, of reconciliation, but rather he starts with a strange command - that we must leave our gifts at the altar before reconciling with our neighbour.  For it seems that gifts at the altar are of little value to God unless they come with our clean conscience and our resolve to seek reconciliation with our neighbour.  

By leaving gifts at the altar, we are acknowledging that God knows us inside and out.  He knows our secrets and the dark brooding ways of our all too human nature.  For when we leave gifts at the altar, or at the altar of our minds, we leave a part of ourselves there - and right then, God can work on us and heal us.  And give us courage for the process of forgiving – and indeed of being forgiven.

And when we try to take Jesus at his word and actually leave gifts at the altar, this altar need not, of course, be a church altar – the kitchen table, a side table at home will do – why not actually leave something there – as a reminder that you need to…call your cousin whom you dislike, to send that email or text to a friend that you lost contact with because they said something you didn’t like.

The psychological impact of conflict cannot be underestimated.  It makes us ill with worry.  Jesus knows this and accordingly he craves that people are free from conflict - as soon as possible.  Surely he wants us whole and healthy.

Jesus always teaches us with a view to challenge, of course – the Gospel is not easy and today’s Gospel is particularly hard to stomach.  Indeed, this issue of resolving our differences with others is just plain hard work – it frightens me to face those with whom I am have issue, that I don’t fully trust, that I would rather not engage with.  For it is all too easy to love my friend and dine with them, offer them compliments and help them solve their problems and comfort them.  Jesus doesn’t preach on the things that we do easily - the love we lavish on those with whom we are friends.  No, we are called to be radical in our relationships and seek out the complex and divided relationships of our lives. 

We are challenged to make that hard phone call, or to accept that we were wrong too and even if we are sure that we were not wrong, to compromise and sometimes even take the blame. 

In this way, the cross looms large – maybe some days bearing another’s anger, for example, might best be borne by absorbing that anger ourselves.  In this way we willingly suffer the pain of those we have difficulty with.

And reconciliation might need to happen quickly.  That gift you left with God is waiting to be picked up and time is short.  The Gospel is clear on this too – we never know when the hour will come and that broken relationship calls us to both rectify it quickly - and to love the other at almost any cost.

Further, in our day of psychological intervention, the issue can go even deeper.  This whole matter of reconciliation is also about our relationship with ourselves – the disquiet we have in our hearts for ourselves at the things of which we are not proud – what of our lack of forgiveness of ourselves, when all the while we are often happy to forgive others?  That gift we left at the altar might just be ourselves and in the meantime whilst we mend our relationships with another person, God is busy mending our broken hearts.

No one is an island.  We live in a variety of communities and they focus our need to be compromising and forgiving...to me, nothing is more important.  If nothing else, it is just unhealthy for us to be in conflict.

But ironically I would add this – don’t think that you are called to forgive at any cost – only God can keep forgiving and forgiving – we have human limits – despite the fact that Jesus’ command to reconcile seems absolute. 

To think that we have to be as God in our relationships is not useful and may even be destructive.  You might find that despite your best efforts you simply cannot resolve a situation – and that’s alright too.  Yet ensure that when you come to pick up your gift from the altar – wherever that altar is – that you focus on God and say ‘God, I have done my best – I have tried everything to reconcile with my neighbour and it has not worked out’. 

Then don’t forget to do one more thing – take up that gift you left at the altar and with a clean conscience, offer it to God in humility. 

Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes before you judge them – enquire as to their pain and suffering. 

And be at peace.  Peace is an ultimate goal of reconciliation.  Be at peace. 

Reconcile at any cost, until you simply cannot reconcile any further.

After all, we live only to try and do as Jesus does.  To get it right with others.   

Merton and Teachers.

“Do not depend on the hope of results. You may have to face the fact that your work will be apparently worthless and even achieve no result at all, if not perhaps results opposite to what you expect. As you get used to this idea, you start more and more to concentrate not on the results, but on the value, the rightness, the truth of the work itself. You gradually struggle less and less for an idea and more and more for specific people. In the end, it is the reality of personal relationship that saves everything.” 
― Thomas Merton

Merton said little about education and teaching, and this is not one of the things he said.  He was speaking to those involved in the peace movement in the '60's and he was warning against disappointment because our goals and targets for change never seem to be reached. Yet I suggest it could apply to teachers.

Teachers strive to be transformational and often the transformation they seek is delayed, to put it mildly.  How do you remain motivated, involved and focussed when the class in front of you is slipping into inertia, on the road to amnesia and a journey around some distant planet no scientist has yet discovered?

Merton suggests letting go of the destination and remembering why you are a teacher, why it is right to be teacher and why teachers are necessary.To let go of the idea of making a difference and to develop a relationship with the individuals, not the class and not the curriculum outcome.

He affirms what all good teachers know but need to be reminded of every now and then, that 'it is the reality of the personal relationship that saves everything', and in the case of teachers, everyone including the teacher herself.

It is interesting to note that he says we are to have that relationship with specific persons, not everyone. How does that work?  I suggest that in every class there are leaders, significant influencers whose 'buy-in' is required to move the whole class. Students who wield influence, are early adopters, who lead by achievement, it is these students we are to identify and to develop the particular relationship aimed at helping them achieve their goals, whether that be learning, prestige, success and/or the need for a relationship with teacher, students or parents.

Is this easy? No but perhaps it is the difference between burning out and remaining what you already are, a great teacher.

New Beginnings

Back to school is a time of new beginnings. This week in chapel we have been looking at the idea of beginning again in light of the tragic floods which have been experienced across our country. The question is, how do we start again when something completely unimagined breaks in upon our lives? Events such as natural disasters, unexpected illness, relationship breakdowns and more come upon us in ways which leave us a little unbalanced and out of shape.

Yet we have to keep on going, finding ways to rebalance our lives and begin again.

We do so when we understand that we are not alone, that others, God included, share our pain and disruption and that we begin again by concentrating on what needs to be done now. It is about being mindful that all journeys begin with one step following after the other, and that the step we take now is the step that matters.

We can not remake the past nor can we manufacture the future. All we can do is live this moment now to the best of our ability, not worrying about outcomes, just about staying in the game. We will stumble and sometimes fall, but as long as we get up we have hope, develop courage and grow character.

New beginnings? No big deal. It's all about staying in the game called life and if we play it all the way to the end we come out on top.

Living With Loose Ends

2 Corinthians 5:16-21 - Luke 15:1-3, 11b-32

Today’s readings drag us into the complicated world of relationships and dysfunction. It is, without putting too fine a point on it, almost assured that relationships will be,at least at sometime in their life, dysfunctional, one side or the other gets out of sync and slips into a place of its own, unable to relate or live with the other. It happens in marriages and friendships, in professional and work areas, on the international and national political stage – it happens in almost all areas of life.

It is the stuff which makes life the most interesting.

Somebody is alleged to have said that it is what makes making up such a challenge and a skill. How to begin again, how to re-mind ourselves, retool our minds, so that what was in dysfunction functions again? How do we see in what appears to be a lost cause the possibility of re-commencement, re-engagement of new life and hope?

Thich Nhat Hanh, the Vietnamese Buddhist Monk suggests; “Reconciliation is to understand both sides; to go to one side and describe the suffering being endured by the other side, AND then go to the other side and describe the suffering being endured by the first side.”

Often our approach to this kind of challenge is built around ‘either – or’, ‘one or the other’, resulting in one or more of the parties having to back down so the other wins, all in the name of reconciliation and moving on. Unfortunately reconciliation built on that type of ideology is only temporary, for it builds resentment and hostility in all parties. Those who have backed down resent the loss and those who win think they should have won more.

In Hanh’s suggestion we find the neat little word “and” – “Reconciliation is to understand both sides; to go to one side and describe the suffering being endured by the other side, AND then go to the other side and describe the suffering being endured by the first side.”

And is one of the most useful words we have, unlike or which separates, and, unites – it brings together both sides of an argument and makes them one. It is about the ‘oneing’ of life in all its complexities. It makes one and when things are one they begin to work together to reconcile the differences.

My mobile phone synchronises with my computer. When I connect and hit synchronise the two reconcile or become one – what is on one is on the other – it notes the difference, the double ups and then either deletes or includes as appropriate, and after a few minutes you have the two, one. It reconciles the phone and the computer.

In our second reading today, Paul is battling to achieve the same result with the Christians at Corinth. Paul had, in a sense, raised these people in the faith, nurtured and brought them through only to find now that they are estranged from him because of the influence of other so called Christian leaders. We are not told who, but obviously they were persuasive in getting the Corinthians to follow them and to leave Paul.

Perhaps out of anger, but probably out of concern for those he ‘loved’ and a concern that they are receiving good teaching; Paul responds. He does so with some of the clearest theological teaching we find in the New Testament.


Paul's appeal for reconciliation arises out of a complex, messy human situation. Much as he desires the Corinthians to be reconciled to God, Paul also earnestly yearns for some kind of reconciliation between the Corinthians and himself. These are not two separate issues. Paul recognizes that what goes on in human communities, how we relate to one another, has implications for how we relate to God. It is not just about us; nor is it just about God. It is about how we understand ourselves to be in relationship with God and with one another, all in the same moment. The two are inextricably linked.



To illustrate this, Paul juxtaposes two ways of viewing one another, using the example of the Christ. At one time, he says, we looked at the one we call the Christ and saw, nothing special: perhaps a prophet, perhaps a fool. We judged on the basis of our human experience ("a human point of view"). Then something happened that allowed us to see in Christ the one in and through whom God reconciles the world to God's self. Paul does not specify what this "something is", and it is different for each of us. We experience the presence of God not only in our own lives, but come to recognize the presence of God permeating the entire cosmos. Our way of seeing has changed, as well as our understanding of how we are in the world, as Paul goes on to say "if anyone is in Christ, there is an (ongoing) new creation" (verse 17).

Ongoing, here, does not mean in the sense of evolution, but in the sense that creation, when it is sustained as we are in Christ, is in a constant state of renewal. This on-going act of creation, says Paul, occurs through Christ for it is "In Christ" we experience God reaching out to us and ourselves as creation restored; if we recognize ourselves as a part of this new creation, then we no longer view one another in the same way. Our vision has changed.

Reconciliation is not simply something to be desired; it becomes an imperative because we have experienced reconciliation with the one who has given us (new) life. If, in this most important of all relationships, we find that our "trespasses" (which can also be rendered "missteps") are not held against us, we too are challenged to reach across the boundaries and barriers that separate us, whether due to missteps, misunderstandings, or misconceptions, and find ways to renew our relationships as a part of the on-going act of creation.



Were Paul and the Corinthians reconciled? Holly Hearon suggests: “We do not know. The danger remains that one or the other side will confuse their status as ambassadors with the role of God, and reconciliation with conformity. As it stands, we are only left with the issues and the possibilities. Much as I like tidy endings, I am drawn to the open-endedness of this situation because it gives us room to consider what we might do in this, or any other, situation where we are still searching for the reconciliation that will open up the potential for the renewal of creation. It is in this act, says Paul, that we may become the righteousness of God.”

It is in this sense that the Gospel story of the Prodigal Son is also an incomplete reconciliation story. It ends without the ends neatly tied up. We are not sure of the Son’s motivation for returning, was he really repentant and coming home for the right reasons, or just for a hot shower and a good meal? What was the father’s motivation for accepting him back, true love or an attempt to save face in front of the local community? Where was the older son? Did he ever get over his resentment and reluctance to accept his brother back or did he stay forever out in the garden, unwilling to join the party? And what did the mother think, and did it really matter? What work needed to be done to build on this apparent reconciliation to turn it into a new beginning or did the dysfunctional family remain just that, a work in progress?

Reconciliation is what brings us to the Eucharistic table where we realize the reconciliation between humanity and God wrought by the action of the second Person of the Trinity Christ, fulfilling his relationship with God. Christ’s action was relational, bringing into being the forgiving action of God. The cross and the Eucharist are not Christ’s work but God’s. At no time do they become ours for no action of ours will reconcile us with God.

God through Christ reconciles the world to himself, even though it often feels like there are a lot of loose ends. And there are. God likes it like that.

Men's Group, the movie

Went and saw the movie, ‘Men’s Group’ last night. What a great movie! A confronting, hard hitting realistic view of Aussie Blokes dealing with the stuff of life which bends them out of shape.

A confronting movie not for the faint hearted but rewarding and revealing. As you watch it you identify with the characters, recognising them in others and in bits of yourself.

At times harrowing, at times embarrassingly stereotypical and other times close to home it is, in the end, a hopeful movie. Hopeful for the characters in the movie as they discover that as you confront the pain in your life there is a way forward, not matter how difficult and faltering the path may seem.

It is hopeful of blokes in that it shows us how blokes deal with stuff and can support one another meaningfully and deeply without talking about sex and football. It looks at language and how we use it to cover up stuff, how we present our selves to the world, it deals with fathers, touch, image, relationships and shows that stuff like that impacts each of us regardless of age (the age of the actors extends from late 20’s to somewhere in the 70’s).

After the movie I rang home and said I would be a little late as I needed time to process some of the stuff. I stood next to the car at Rozelle and looked up, the moon was hidden by a black cloud and against the night sky only the faint glimmer of light said the moon was there. As the clouds moved the moon glowed larger and came into view, except because of the time in the moon’s cycle, it wasn’t perfectly round. It was bent out of shape, a little off kilter. Yet it shined brightly and lit up the night sky.

That, to me is the message of 'Men’s Group', the movie. No matter how blokes are bent out of shape there is hope that we can come out from the dark cloud of brokenness and shine.

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Gerry Harvey Kicks Sacred Cows in the Sirloin

Gerry Harvey puts the cats amongst the pidgeons or, to put it another way, gives some sacred cows a hefty boot in the sirloin.

His comments on charity and the value of charity have elicted much comment .

It is not whether he said it or didn't say it, he has sparked debate about a topic most Australians feel strongly about but are not game to express their points of view on. In looking at the response, it is split between those who agree and those who don't. Some want to see assistance given only to those who make an effort (often undefined) and who see poverty as solely an individual problem. Others see poverty as a product of a faulty system and therefore see both the need for assistance and a restructure of the system (again undefined) as the most appropriate action.

It seems to me there is merits in both ideas but is there not something missng in this discussion? The discussion seems to be about an undefined 'them', an unknown some one who ceases to be real to us. There seems to be an uncrossable distance between us who, by inference are productive, effective and having a go, and those who are by the same inference not pulling their weight and are therefore dispensable.

Any attempt to give a human face to both arguments is at best anecdotal and often isolated personal experiences from people who have not lived the life of poverty they are attempting to describe.

The problem? Failure to see that each person in this story is just that, a person like us, made in the image of God who, at one time in their lives, had dreams, hopes and aspired to great things. Somewhere along the way life intervened and things changed. It is important to note only things changed; they are still the same as they were created, carrying the divine spark.

The challenge for all of us is to remember that we share that same divine spark with them and it is this which must underpin our dealings with them. We must see them as equals and requiring our compassion and support however that may be delivered to ensure that divine spark is nurtured. It may never flame into vibrant life, and ours may not either, but it must still be allowed oxygen to flicker in the winds of adversity and triumph that is life.

It's about hope not productivity, it is about life not success and it's about being so that we are challenged on, not just how we deal with their life but what we do with ours.

Gerry challenges us to think about how we see others and how we live in response to them and our own opportunities to make a difference.

The Degustation Breakfast

Well, last Saturday's Blokes Breakfast was indeed an occaision to remember. The Cooks Warren and Ian excelled themselves with 6 enjoyable and wonderful taste sensations. Warren particularly has been spectacular this year and we thank him (and Ian) especially for his efforts.

The idea of the Degustation Breakfast was linked diretly to the feast put on by the Prodigal Sons Father when he returned. This concept of valuing through hospitality is one which is embedded in the Gospels and in Jesus' concept of the Kingdom of God.

It is significant that his first miracle was at a feast and his last meal was at a feast - the Passover meal. Jesus bookended his ministry with hospitality and so much more of his teaching revolves around sharing or breaking bread with one another, typified in the Eucharist we share each time we ccelebrate it.

Last Saturday saw 26 men of all ages come for breakfast and stay for almost 3 hours, sharing a meal together and talking. And not just talking but sharing in a very real way.

What started out some 5 months ago as a traditional men's breakfast has developed into a monthly event, looked for and celebrated by all who attend.

It will be exciting to see what God will do with this event and the Blokes who attend in 2009!

Sex & Violence - A Staple Diet for Our Kids

I am constantly amazed at the sexual messages contained in ads of all varieties and almost every television show you watch. Maybe I am more shocked because I am not a great tv watcher, but when I do I notice some disturbing trends. Shows like "Two Men & A Boy' (@ 7.30p.m.) is overtly sexual and portrays relationships between the sexes extremelly negatively, and as it has as one of the protagonists a 11 year old
boy projects all the wrong messages. This is to say nothing about the shows directed at girls.

RAND Research in the USA did a study of 718 teenagers 12 to 17 between 2001 and 2004 in relation to sex on tv and 1564 Japanese and Americans between 9 & 18 for the effects of violence, and deduced that 'exposure to some forms of entertainment is a corrupting influence, leading teenagers who watch sexy programs into early pregnancy and children who play violent video games to aadopt aggressive behaviour.' A full report can be found on www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph or at the Rand website http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/.

The challenge for us is to be discriminatory about what we watch and what we allow our children to watch. Sex and violence on tv and video games rarely identifies the consequences of such in real life. For a chilling reminder of the impact of violence see the story at this link http://www.theage.com.au/national/lifelong-effect-of-a-night-of-random-schoolies-violence-20081112-5o1c.html.

The challenge also asks us to speak realistically about the effects and impacts of such behaviour in such a way as to be real but over the top. If we become too graphic kids just switch off.

We are also challenged to model a life congruent with Biblical values, often a challenge we fail in the smaller things but if we are honest and open with our kids it will provide them with a benchmark for their own behaviour.

Men's Group - The Movie

As discussed at the last Bloke's Breakfast we are organising an outing to see the movie 'Men's Group'.

Men’s group is the story of six very different men; Paul, Freddy, Cecil, Lucas, Moses and Alex . They meet once a week at Paul’s home to talk. When they begin they are complete strangers.

They soon discover that they have something in common, being male. As trust grows between them they gradually begin to share as they learn to listen to each other. They discover that they are not quite so alone in their fears as they had presumed.

It takes a tragedy for the men to finally understand that they must take responsibilities for their own lives and those of their loved ones.

It begins screening 13th so we can either go Saturday 15th in the afternoon or some time the next week, perhaps Wednesday 19th.

Think about it and we will arrange a time on Saturday at the big Degustation Breakfast.

A Fathers Heart Breaks

The heart of a father is at the heart of the Prodigal Son story. Over the last few days we have watched the heart of a father break on television. Dale Lapthorne, the father of Britt Lapthorne, has touched each of our hearts as we identify with his anguish and loss at losing a cherished daughter.

In watching on, I thought about the concerns and fears I have experienced as a father of an adventurous and lively daughter, who went to a university away from her home town at a young age, who decided to go to Osaka Japan after finishing university to teach English and immersed herself in the social life of the ex-pats in that city, who has back-packed to various parts of the world, only to return home and enjoy a vibrant (my interpretation of adventurous) social life at home.

Many times I wondered whether she was safe, what dangers lurked out there and what I would do if something happened to her. Yet nothing can prepare us for that moment except our own love and trust that gives them permission to travel and be alive and who they are. To live in the moment.

Yet the anguish when something happens maliciously, as it seems to be the case here, is something we can not understand or imagine unless we experience it for ourselves. My heart goes out to Britt's family and hope that in the midst of this they remember her for who she was and the good times they enjoyed together.

The Father in the Prodigal Son story shares this anguish and knows the agony of watching people leave, of finding a strength to cope, all the time wondering if his son was safe.

The bigness of his heart is shown by the welcome home and the the way he took his son back in. There is no sign of repentance or saying sorry by the son exccept that he knew life would be better if he went back. The Father doesn't allow the prepared speech to be uttered. He places his arms around him and takes him home.

And it is here the hard work begins for both of them. Rembrandts painting of the Return of the Prodigal Son shows the clear differentiation of the hands of the Father, one is soft and caring and the other hard and calloused. The inference is that the journey to this point has required, and the way forward will require, a combination of caring and correction, of love and of disciplne, of hope and of trust.

The return home is not the end of the story, but in many ways only the beginning for both of them. The healing, forgiveness, rebuilding of trust and hope and the movement forward into a productive life is only just beginning and will require effort, patience and compassion.

The Wildman Leaves - Prodigal Son

“Small boys become big men through the influence of big men who care about small boys.”
“Don’t wait to make your son a great man —make him a great boy”

The story of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32) explores the journey to manhood through the lives of three men at different stages in their journey:

THE YOUNGEST SON—the Wildman seeking to push boundaries and find his place in the world.
Testing Boundaries.
Establishing place in the world.
Conflict with father.
Separating from mother
Black & White world views.
Self focussed.
Wants it All, Now!

IT’S ALL ABOUT STEPPING OUT!!!

WHAT’S THE CHALLENGE FOR US:
In how we respond to our children’s journey.
In reflecting on and be honest about our own journey.
In responding to the high risk behaviour of young men.

Review "And When Did You Last See Your Father?"

What an interesting movie! First reaction when it finished was to find something lighter to laugh about! This was no light and easy movie but neither was it tragic and overbearing. It explored the relationships within a family from the memory of a son disillusioned and estranged from his father. Jim Broadbent, as the father, gives a compelling portrayal of a man out of his depth in relationships yet so self possessed that he compensates by denying the reality and living in the happines of self-delusion. Colin Firth is Blake,the adult son who has never come to grips with his perception of his father and finds himself repeating the mistakes he so condemns. Matthew Beard, who plays the teenage Blake, is excellent and mixes teenage angst with disappointment superbly as he struggles to deal with his extrovert father.

An excellent movie - not a comfortable one - but one every male should see.

The movie title refers to the need to see your father as he his not as you would like him to be.

Prolonged Adolescence

Noticed in Tuesdays tele (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,,24134638-5001021,00.html) insurance companies have increased the age for higher premiums for young drivers from 25 - 30, ostensibly because of higher risks.At a recent seminar a child psychologist said research suggested adolescence now begins at 9 not the traditional 12/13.So, if this is the case, then the normal adolescence behaviour patterns, wants and mores are with us not 10/12 years but some 21 years.

This fits with the growth of young people staying home until their mid-thirties or longer.

The result? We see the erosion of child hood, the beginning of at risk behaviour and expectations in the early teens not late teens, this at risk behaviour escalates and is maintained longer,and the normal transition to adult responsibilities and expectations such as marriage, children, home ownership and community involvement is delayed.

Implications for us as Dads, parents and role models is that we need to confident in our own values and place in the world, that we need to clearly define our expectations that children and young teens are still that and that there is a transition into adulthood by clearly defined signposts and expectations. We have to act as the adult parent during their teens and as the same adult parents when its time (early 20's at the latest)to move up and become an adult themselves.

What do you think?

"When Did You Last See Your Father?"

"When Did You Last See Your Father?" is a movie recommended by David off the Movie Show as essential viewing for men. The relationship with our father is a formative one and often when we have the most difficulty resolving throughout our life's journey. For us to move on with our lives and to become fathers our selves it is important to reflect on our own experiences.

SUGGESTION: That we get together one Friday or Saturday night after it opens (31 July) and go as a group, having something to eat and drink after or before it. What do you think.

If you are interested let me know here or on my email dellmar@optusnet.com.au.

For more information on the movie go to http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony/whendidyoulastseeyourfather/trailer/